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cptcharisma1157
Dan the man from PA, joined wrestlingmarks.com on 11/15/07
Triple H is undeserving
by cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 6:53 PM
This blog is an obvious testimonial against Triple H. Now I've been a big fan of his for years, but I've got a lot of problems with him as of late.
This is not a discussion about John Cena, so even though most likely he will be worked in to make it a triple threat match, this is not an argument of whether or not he deserves to be in the main event at Mania. It's an argument of whether or not Triple H deserves it.
So lets look at the facts. First of all, Triple H was not on RAW the last two weeks. Never, and I mean never does a wrestler deserve to win a pay per view main event after missing two weeks worth of TV time unless it was because of an angle. But this was no angle, it was just Triple H being nowhere to be seen. If you think Trip does deserve it, let's compare him to his opponents. Umaga is clearly not Wrestlemania main event material. Jericho and JBL are clearly going to work their feud through Wrestlemania. But that leaves HBK and Jeff Hardy.
Shawn Michaels hasn't taken any leave since his 4 year break between 98 and 2002. Since that time he has done nothing but great work. He's had some of the best matches I've ever seen, and yet he's not being given the world title. You could say he's past the point of needing to hold a title to boost his confidence, but that argument holds more meaning against Triple H. Micheals has only held the world title once in the past ten years. That's ludicrous because he's been one of the top performers during this entire time. And another thing is that Michaels has never really had a huge confrontation with Orton. A short feud I believe, but if they battle at Mania, that could be the best match since HBK/Angle.
As for Jeff Hardy, he still hasn't ever held the big prize despite being the most popular wrestler of his generation. He's more over with the fans than anyone I can remember, and he was being pushed just right to get that win at No Way Out. He beat Michaels clean, and could be getting his second chance at Orton (perfect storyline). You can say Hardy's a "spot monkey," but big spots are needed to make wrestling what it is. Plus, if you think Jeff can only perform in a ladder or a cage match, that's what they could do. Jeff already fought Orton in a normal match, so they could add a stipulation this time, thus granting your wishes.
I can go on and on about why Hardy and Michaels are worthy, but the point is Trip is not. If he's in line for a Mania main event, then he should be working as hard and as readily as HBK and Hardy. He hasn't had anything I could call a 'classic match' since he feuded with The Rock and Foley, and he just doesn't cut it as a babyface. He needs to turn heel and really kick ass if he wants to fight for the title, cause this is just a travesty of justice.
Comments
(25 total)
From JamesP on 2/18/08 7:12 PM
Wait, so you're saying that the only way a match can be interesting is with high spots? Damn, Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit, Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart, and countless other classics where people didn't do crazy dives off of elevated surfaces must have sucked!
From 92tombstone92 on 2/18/08 7:31 PM
I agree with u with the whole HHH thing ...HHH really needs to go heel again and the reason he was out for 2 weeks was because of a good reason i don't remember exactly what but i think someone close to him died
and Shawn does need another shot at the title
Hardy needs to go against Orton in a TLC match for the title
Shawn and Hardy are the only ones who deserve to go against Orton for the title and Main Eventing WM
From SRHking on 2/18/08 7:38 PM
hbk is very deserving for the title
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 7:40 PM
JamesP, first off the point went right over your head as this is not a Hardy discussion it's aimed at Triple H, but I still make my argument.
All matches need spots. A spot is not just a leap of faith off of a ladder, a spot is a precalculated move, the planned ending, the most important part of wrestling. As for guys like Angle and Benoit, yea they could really chain wrestle, and Hardy can't do it like them, but he sure as hell can wrestle. Watch his matches. And I don't mean wait for him to take his ritual dive off the top, I mean watch is ring work. He'll toss a guy to the corner and hit a high dropkick, but he'll also work a chain of moves as well as anybody. He's got a lot of trademark moves, but he's also got others that he uses just to keep the flow of the match going.
Now I'm getting tired of arguing in Jeff's favor, because I'm definitely not a fan of his. I never have been, never will be. He' got no personality, and looks like an idiot with his glow-in-the-dark body art and rainbow hair while he does the air hump. But still, I have to give credit where it's due. The man can wrestle. And just because I'm not his fan doesn't mean I'll attack him for being a so called "spot monkey."
As for tombstone, I'm not sure of the reason for Trip being out, it may have been a good reason (I think it might have had something to due with Steph's pregnancy). But even so, he shouldn't be winning that main event. If wants/needs time off then fine, just don't expect a world title match the day you come back, which right now is the case for him and Cena.
From DoubleJ on 2/18/08 8:05 PM
ok lets have the coolest guy give his opinion
ttriple h deserves the shot more than anyone. i mean hes been gone because a family member of his died. but yea. i guess seeing triple h vs orton would be a really good match at mania.
but add cena
orton+HHH+Cena=borefest
so yea
take cena out
i hate cena but thats another descussion
the fact is triple h is one of the better champions
as a heel
i agree with those who think triple h should go heel before any title.
but onto the other
HBK is a great wrestler, i like to atch him, vut i guess giving him trhe main event spot would just repeat last year. i mean we saw hbk in the main event last year with cena. so i really dont wanna c him there again. besides its goinna b hbk vs flair. so thats how thats gonna work.
as for hardy. i9 love the guy, hes one of my favorites becuase hes not ur average wrestler. he has moves that alot of top wrestlers cant do. he has a different style that ive been waiting to see in the main event spot for a long time. but i definatly dont think that hes ready for a main event at mainia. i mean i guess it would make sence to do that but thery arnt. i mean the only way i think jeff would b in the main event is if it were a ladder match
From SRHking on 2/18/08 8:09 PM
trips brother-in-law die, that the reason he wasn't at raw, and JamesP finally got told
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 8:29 PM
Ok, if Trip's brother in law died, I can sympothize, but I still can't justify giving him the main event at Mania. He should just put wrestling on the backburner and be with his family.
And DoubleJ this Trip/Cena/Orton main event is more redundant than Micheals Orton would be... Think about it. We've already seen Triple H v. Cena at Mania, we've already seen Orton in a triple threat match at Mania, we've all seen Orton v. Triple H and Orton v. Cena. Putting together a bunch of things we've already seen into one match doesn't make it any less repetitive.
From JamesP on 2/18/08 8:51 PM
In that case, the only high-spots Jeff Hardy knows how to do are dives. He's had one great non-stipulation match, and that was with HBK, a man who could get a good match out of a Kangaroo. He can't put a match together without countless dives, or else it gets boring. Contrast that to Rob Van Dam, who is far more well-rounded, has a helluva lot more personality nd charisma, and can have good match without spots.
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 9:26 PM
I think RVD is a good comparison to make with Jeff Hardy. Because I feel that they are both unorthodox. While RVD does go for huge spots, he also has some good ground work with his legs, and he's got some unique moves. Exactly like Jeff Hardy; they have such a similar style. RVD is probably a little better, but c'mon, he is RVD.
One more similarity is that they've both always been extremely popular, and for the same reasons. High spots. RVD may be a little bit more of the total package. But like RVD I think Jeff Hardy's decade in wrestling is enough to say it's his turn for the world title... even if it is only for three weeks, just like RVD. And Jeff's probably gonna win the MITB, just like RVD.
From theone86 on 2/18/08 9:55 PM
I'm not going to argue about Jeff. I'm kind of on the fence about him, but I do NOT think he's ready for a Mania main event.
So we're basically saying that it should be either Michaels or Triple H, well the fact is that right now Trips is gigher up the card. A year ago I would've agreed with you, but I think HHH has a better run going right now.
As for Michaels winning the Title recently, I completely agree. The last time he held the Title he had it for way too short a period, and I think he should've won it at mania last year. You want to talk about Triple H dominating the Title scene? Think about this, Triple H was in four straight Title matches at Mania. In between those matches he had opponents who had reigns of 1 month, 2 months, 1 month, 1 month, 3 months, 5 months, and 1 month, and he lost the last of those matches. Cena has been in four straight Title matches at mania as of his latest one (I'm assuming he'll be in at 24), has never lost one yet, and has had opponents' reigns of 3 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, and 5 months (assuming Orton makes it to Mania champ). That means in four years Triple H was without the Title a total of fourteen months, and that in a similar span Cena was without Title 8 months and three weeks. You want to blame someone for hogging the Title picture while Michaels should've been in it? Blame Cena.
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 10:02 PM
I'm not saying Cena isn't hogging the spotlight. I don't think there's anyone arguing that he isn't the worst thing to ever happen in professional wrestling history. And I'm sure I wouldn't hate Cena THIS much if he would have let some other people hold the title a while. I'd been rooting for Trip to get back into the title picture for a while, but not like this. Not when it's Hardy's or HBK's time to shine.
From JamesP on 2/18/08 10:10 PM
HHH has main evented 5 Wrestlemanias and lost 3 of them. Meanwhile, Cena is going to be in his fourth straight Main Event. Look at it like this: from 1999 to 2001, HHH was World Champion for 8 out of 24 months. During his reign of terror from 2003-2005, he was Champion for 17 out of 24 months. Meanwhile, from 2005-2007, Cena was champion for 22 out of 24 months, and for the bulk of Cena's title eigns, HHH was out of the title picture. Cena has had way too much exposure.
From JamesP on 2/18/08 10:25 PM
Another statistic: For the past 8 years, HHH has been champion for 28 out of 176 months. Meanwhile, John Cena's been champion for 26 out of 176 months. That's unnacceptable. John Cena didn't enter the title picture until 6 YEARS after HHH entered the title picture, yet over the course of 8 years, he was champion for almost as long HHH.
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 10:58 PM
agreed, I definitely think that Cena is the worst thing to ever happen to the WWE
From JamesP on 2/18/08 11:07 PM
I wouldn't say THE worst thing, but it's pretty bad. Cen's dominance would be acceptable in the 70's and 80's, but that as back when the build up big heel to lose every month mentality was still fresh. Now, to keep things from getting boring and stale, they have to make title changes more frequent. I can deal with a dominant heel champion a la 2003 HHH because they can just act like a big arrogant douche about it, but Dominant babyface reigns are boring. Cena's reign was unbearable once it got past 5 months.
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/18/08 11:07 PM
And even though I don't think Trip deserves the main event at Mania, I will jump for joy if he wins the title at Mania, because it will be another day without Cena holding that belt.
From bpapa on 2/19/08 1:21 AM
Whether you love HHH or hate him, the idea that he missed 2 weeks so he shouldn't headline WrestleMania is borderline insanity. It's also really mean when you consider that the reason he missed those two weeks is because of a death in the family (and since those RAWs were taped back-to-back, he only really missed one week).
As far as match quality, HHH had a great match with Jeff Hardy at Armageddon, and has had the best match with Ric Flair since the "I will not retire!" angle started. It's all subjective but most would call HHH an outstanding worker.
From Treilond on 2/19/08 10:07 AM
I wouldn't Say Triple H is undeserving. I think he needs a title run more than Cena. Triple H hasn't had a real stong title run for a while. John Cena had it way to long. I love Cena, he rocks, but Triple H should get it at mania definetly.
From theone86 on 2/19/08 2:54 PM
I think the argument was that it's Michaels' turn, but I would argue that his turn was this past year. He had a ton of momentum going into mania, and it all died after his fued with Cena stopped. He's been getting momentum lately, but not as much as Triple H. But I definitely agree that Michaels should get some Title time in 08. Let's hope for at least a few different Champions this year.
From SRHking on 2/19/08 4:59 PM
a think trips should get a title run but not at maina. That spot should go to some one other then cena or trips
From theminister on 2/19/08 5:03 PM
Of all the wrestlers on Raw Triple H deserves to be in the Main Event as much as anyone. He, Orton and Hardy have carried Raw the last few months while Cena was out. Hardy already got his chance at Rumble. Trips never got another Title match w/Orton since No Mercy. He jobbed to Hardy so Hardy could get his shot at Rumble now Trips will and should get his shot.
I like the addition of Cena to the match just because all three have unfinished business with each other.
I think HBK should get another run at the title but like theone86 said he has no momentum right now. I'd love to see him retire Flair.
Hardy v. Orton is not Mania Main Event material. I think Hardy will and should get a run with the belt this year but he'll have to win it at a smaller event than Mania.
From SRHking on 2/19/08 5:40 PM
LIKE SUMMERSLAM
From cptcharisma1157 on 2/19/08 6:04 PM
When I made this blog I wasn't aware of the reasonning for Trip missing the tv tapings, but I still stand by most of what I've said.
If he needed to be with his family I'm fine with that, but he shouldn't be expecting the world title when he comes back. And even though he wasn't taking an extended break, I still really stand by the rest of the points that I made: the HBK and Hardy deserve it more, that Triple H hasn't been wrestling up to his ability.
As for HBK not having enough momentum, THAT'S BOGUS!! Trip had no momentum! We hadn't seen him for two weeks!! So there is no momentum there. Hardy obviously had the most momentum going in, but HBK had more than HHH. All of Trip's current momentum is due to his Chamber win. If Michaels won the chamber, that would be his momentum.
From theone86 on 2/19/08 7:25 PM
I'll agree that it hurt his momentum, but with a few asteriks. For one, I'm sure they'll start pushing him hardcore this next month. Second, the tapings were back to back, so it could hardly have been helped. I know it hurt his momentum going into NWO, but you have to look at the big picture. He'll have a little less momentum leading up to the PPV before Mania, but it will all be back by Mania. 1 missed taping can't undo 2 months of build, including the Mania main event. And three, WWE travels a LOT. If there's one thing I'll never hold against the wrestlers it's time off, especially for family matters like this.
From 92tombstone92 on 2/20/08 12:41 PM
ok cptcharisma1157 HHH took two weeks off cause someone in his family died and if ur holding that against him thats retarded but ur right about him not having momentum the only time he has momentum so far in 08 is right before the Rumble