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DXSSI
joined wrestlingmarks.com on 4/2/07
The insinuation that wrestling fans are stupid.
by DXSSI on 2/4/08 1:11 AM
I'm so tired of this stereotype. Not only do we regularly have to hear how dumb professional wrestling is, but in plenty of cases we also have to put up with people directly stating that we must be some kind of idiots in order to watch this stuff. This stereotype seems to be readily accepted by the mainstream, even by the media, who should have higher standards but clearly do not.
The reason I bring this up is a recent sports article about Roman numerals in the Houston Chronicle in which the writer states "After all, WWE's Wrestlemania is 23 going on XXIV in its strange back-and-forth branding, and their fans wouldn't know what a XXIV was if one hit them in the face with a spinning heel kick from the top rope."
To the writer's credit, the WWE isn't helping matters with the back-and-forth branding, as he calls it. Roman numerals are not exclusively used to promote Wrestlemania. Last year, it was in fact Wrestlemania 23 and not Wrestlemania XXIII. In previous years we've born witness to Wrestlemania 2000, Wrestlemania X8, and even Wrestlemania X-Seven. Are these purely marketing gimmicks, or does the WWE believe the stereotype itself?
Nevertheless, I expect journalists to have higher standards than marketers, so I'm still put off by the writer's comments. I happen to know Roman numerals quite well, and could easily pepper a paragraph with them. For example, I could talk at length about how Ric Flair is a XVI time world champion. Or about the Royal Rumble, which has XXX participants each year. Or how Chris Jericho has been known as the man of MIV holds.
And I'm curious if other wrestling fans are capable of the same. Below I've posted a small quiz on Roman Numerals and Wrestlemania. I'll list the event, and all you have to do is answer back with the year in which the event will take place, given the following assumptions:
- The WWE will never go out of business.
- Wrestlemania will continue to be held annually without fail, and never more than once a year.
- The WWE will actually use Roman numerals to promote future Wrestlemanias (as if).
I'd like to be able to email the writer with a link to this blog when all is said and done, so remember Kurt Angle's III I's. (At least intelligence and integrity.) So if you want to participate, please do your own work and don't copy off of others' papers. (Or else you'll have to listen to a lecture from Matt Striker.)
At last, the quiz. Again, do not just translate the Roman numeral, provide the YEAR in which each event will take place. I'll post answers/results on Wednesday.
I. Wrestlemania XLII
II. Wrestlemania XXX
III. Wrestlemania M
IV. Wrestlemania DX
V. Wrestlemania CLV
VI. Wrestlemania XLV
VII. Wrestlemania MLVI
VIII. Wrestlemania XIXV
IX. Wrestlemania XCIX
X. Wrestlemania MDCCCLXXIV


Comments
(13 total)
From willierko on 2/4/08 6:43 AM
Wrestlemania XLII= WM 42, 2026
Wrestlemania XXX= WM 30, 2014
Wrestlemania M=WM 1000, 2984
Wrestlemania DX= WM 510, 2994
Wrestlemania XLV, WM 45, 2029
Wrestlemania MLVI= WM 1041, 3025
Wrestlemania XIXV= WM 24?=2008
Wrestlemania XCIX= WM 121, 2105
Wrestlemania MDCCCLXXIV= WM 1874, 3858
From theminister on 2/4/08 2:04 PM
First of all your quiz is flawed look at #VIII (You're not proving your intelligence with that question). Secondly, you don't need to prove to anyone how intelligent you are. Anyone who doesn't think wrestling fans are intelligent that's their problem and it shows their incredible ignorance. No wrestling fan has to prove anything to anybody.
From DaneBramage on 2/4/08 4:49 PM
I get lost with any Roman numerals signs other I, V and X.
From SvRKingofKings on 2/4/08 7:26 PM
It took me years to learn that IV was "4" instead of "6," but at 16 years of age...I suppose Im partially excused. I loved WrestleMania X-Seven! The name was just so...random!
From willierko on 2/4/08 9:35 PM
lol im 16, but then again im a nerd....wait no im not lol
From theone86 on 2/5/08 12:52 AM
I have to say that I know a lot of people who criticise me for watching wrestling, and lately it's becoming harder and harder to defend myself. "But there's a certain psychology that goes into working a ma...OK, but the cruiserweights can put on some great macthes without having to don some stupid gimmi...OK, but the women aren't just for show, there are some that are genuinely athle...OK, but these wrestlers are very creative on the mic and can do some pretty deep stu...You know what, screw it."
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that wrestling fans are by nature stupid. I am saying that I think we are becoming more pedestrian in what we expect from wrestling. That's not to say that we're getting dumber, but I think there are a lot of people who take Vince McMahon's word as gospel truth. Wrestling seems to me to be more and more of an opiate. And if you really want to change public opinion of wrestling, and by extension its fans, I would suggest trying a little bit harder than proving you can read a numbering system that's really only around because of historic significance and asthetic value. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying that reading Roman Numerals is a pretty simplistic thing. Maybe start a correspondence with WWE about certian issues (you probably won't get more than a, "we value your input," email, but every little bit counts. I personally send WWE tons of emails about how breast implants and steroids help support unhealthy ideals of hegemonic masculinity, or how I'd like to see more athletic women fued regularly for the title, or how the Women's and Cruiserweight Divisions get no exposure, or how I wish they'd change ECW up a little bit in order to attract a new demographic, or how their writing is just getting piss poor, or how their work schedule is completely ridiculous, or how I think that Vince McMahon's desire to push the envelope goes beyond trying to inspire social change and into plain irresponsibility, or at how apalled I was at the Condemned. It's not just WWE either. I've sent TNA a good number of fire Russo emails, among other things. It doesn't really do anything but piss them off, but that's the first step in any real change. Plus, like I said, if the wrestling community actually starts demanding standards people might actually look at us as fans of a legitimate art and not just a bunch of yokels who get riled up watching "fake" competition.
From theone86 on 2/5/08 12:53 AM
And I know a lot of shit's mispelled. It's late, I'm tired, it's not a professional paper, and I still have better grammar than half the people on this site.
From DXSSI on 2/5/08 4:32 PM
Those are all valid points and worthy of their own blog. But personally, I feel differently about the issue. I like sports entertainment the way it is (which isn't to say there aren't things I dislike; I'm speaking generally), and I would rather change people's perceptions about the viewership of professional wrestling than change professional wrestling itself.
Inducing those kinds of changes in professional wrestling will take years, if not decades, and besides, it will most likely all be for naught so long as WWE is the #1 sports-entertainment company and a McMahon or descendant-of-McMahon is running things. As a quick example, sure, we can certainly complain about lack of athletic women and reliance on breast implants, but the sad truth is that the Diva Search typically boosts the ratings. This has nothing to do with wrestling fans, by the way.
All Hollywood entertainment and professional sports, in some way, uses these same concepts in their programming. Sex sells. Attitude sells. Conflict, aggression, competition, controversy... these things all get ratings. You can hardly fault the WWE for simply providing what America has shown that it wants, and the WWE is no different from any other entertainment company in that regard. And you can hardly fault any competitor who strives to be more like WWE in an attempt to surpass them. And unless America's overall attitude changes, I don't see this type of programming changing anytime soon, in professional wrestling or elsewhere.
As for my choice in direction, if I had some numbers to back me up, I could contact this sportswriter and, although he might not be inspired to write a retraction or another article on the subject, there'd be a good chance that he might be more mindful of singling out certain groups of people based on their choice in entertainment. And something like that, I feel, would go a lot further in fighting back against the stereotype, and sooner, than overhauling professional wrestling to be less about shock value and attention-grabbing events, and by extension less like every other sporting event and/or Hollywood production.
And also, while you and I may consider Roman numerals simplistic, that's simply not the case for everybody, as the reponses to this have already evidenced. Again, it's not just a wrestling fan thing; in the article I linked to, the writer noted that the city of Houston issued a press release stating their intentions to submit a bid to host Super Bowl XVLI. Except XVLI is a mistake, what they meant was XLVI. However, that might have been a typographical error rather than a misundertanding of Roman numerals; only two characters were transposed.
And by the way, answers are still coming Wednesday for anyone who's still waiting on them.
From theone86 on 2/5/08 8:51 PM
I can fault WWE on any number of things. Personally, I'd rather not stand idly by and just let media outlets, WWE or otherwise, get off the hook for certain things.
First off, that's such a cop-out excuse, that the American viewership asks for sex and gets it. It's not just about sex, but degrading depictions of women and simplistic depictions of beauty. I can find a lot of studies myself that say a great deal about how hegemonic masculinity affects the psychic of impressionable youths, and how it affects suicide rates, depression, and other things. This isn't just about women, either. Supporting the ideas of narrow sex roles plays a great deal into men's health when it comes to health of the heart, psychiatric health, being able to have healthy relationships, and so on. Now the American public may eat this up, but does that make it right to sell it to them? An 8 year old will buy crack if you offer it to him, does that mean the kid's the person at fault for not being knowledgable? Of course not, we don't expect the kid to have mature knowledge at that age, we expect others in society to have the reponsibility not to sell crack to eight year olds. Most people in America either have no clue as to the effects of such simple things as the portrayal of women on TV, or they choose to remain ignorant to it. Does that mean we should continue to sell them a product that traps children in a mindset of what roles women belong in and what roles men belong in? Should we doom another generation to abusive relationships, hurtful stereotypes, and rigid sex roles that can cause major health issues at any given point in their lives? Absolutely not. I agree that things won't change overnight, but if we become indifferent to it altogether, we're never going to do any good. The best way to combat this type of thing is by taking personal responsibility and trying to get the word out to as many people as possible, like I'm doing here. Do I have any illusions that everyone on wrestlingmarks is suddenly going to start demanding WWE treat its female talent with more respect? Of course not, but it's too important for me to just not say anything.
Also, this isn't about likes and dislikes, it's about serious issues in society. You may not think it effects you, but I can almost 100% garuntee you that someone you know, or maybe even you, have been affected personally, whether you realize it or not.
As for changing the perception, here's where the problem lies. If I made snuff films, and I came out anonymously and asked the public to accept snuff films as a legitimate art form, they're simply not going to. The general public might not be very discerning, but there are groups out there that are dedicated to these issues and who do put pressure on WWE about them, and it's not a bad thing. Vince McMahon comes out and acts like he should be able to come out and not only air anything he wants, but not be subject to any criticism for it. That's the exact definition of irresponsibility, not being subject to any standards. The fact is that these people aren't just a bunch of crazies, they're basing their action on legitimate studies with a legitimate concern for the general population. Anyways, public opinion is what it is because wrestling has somehow managed to escape criticism on every issue from steroids, to treatment of women, to fair business practices, and more. They can do that because they cater to a portion of the population that, by and large, likes to stay away from any major issues. These issues ARE problems, and public opinion of wrestling and its fans is never going to change unless people start to educate themselves on these issues, and start demanding change. Porn is always going to be porn, smut is always going to be smut, women crawling around on all fours for Vince on national TV is always going to be distasteful, Necrophelia humor is always going to be frowned upon, Vince pulling things out of a plastic ass or having other people kiss his ass is always going to be low-brow, and athletic women who are dedicated to a profession getting pushed aside for mud wrestling matches is always going to be wrong. If Vince wants respect, he has to stop running this crap. If we want respect, we have to send Vince a message that we're not going to watch it anymore.
From SvRKingofKings on 2/5/08 11:00 PM
Hah...Im 16, and AM a nerd. For some reason, I believe "entertainment" is just being used as a moniker in the WWE nowadays. Not saying that I am discontent with my Monday, Friday, and (during PPV's) Sunday nights of WWE, (notice the very deliberate skip over Tuesday nights' rendition of what we hoped to be the rebirth of Extreme Championship Wrestling, but instead got Vince's Extremely Crappy Wrestling) but I think that the post-Attitude Era was a downgrade. Currently on RAW, we see nothing but eye-candy divas (There are some that look good and can perform - Mickie James...Victoria!...;D ) I guess I loved watching Chyna in the 90's because she was dominant and wasn't just all show. I want Divas that use more than their breasts, and giving Jerry Lawler an erection to get over with the fans. But...on the topic of "entertainment"...the "Kiss My Ass" club? Vince, are you serious!? I was truly "entertained" when Stone Cold Steve Austin was kicking your ass, and The Rock shoved your face into Rikishi's saggy ass!
From SvRKingofKings on 2/5/08 11:04 PM
As it relates to this blog topic, I definitely dont think wrestling fans are stupid. Some are just being suckered in by the mess they claim to be true sports entertainment...*sigh* times really have changed...
From DXSSI on 2/6/08 3:50 AM
theone86:
I don't intend to discuss this any further in the comments of this blog, as it's now way off the original topic. I've moved the discussion to its own blog, [link=http://www.wrestlingmarks.com/blogs/Personal_Responsibility_the_WWE/361]here.[/link]
From DXSSI on 2/6/08 10:01 PM
Okay, pencils down. Well, pencil down. I didn't get enough participation to do anything interesting with the results, but here they are nonetheless.
willierko: You get a gold star. Besides being the only one to give it an honest shot, you finished with a passing grade, too.
theminister: You may not feel this particular topic was worth it, but yes, you do have to prove your intelligence constantly throughout life. We're tested for knowledge on a daily basis at work, by family, by Alex Trebek, or perhaps by the nice police officer who just pulled you over. By remaining silent you only confirm the suspicions others have about you, whether they're justified in thinking so or not. But congratulations for getting question #8 right, even though you didn't mean to. It was a deliberate trick question. I bet if you'd taken the time you'd have earned a perfect score.
ANSWERS:
1. Wrestlemania XLII = 40 + 2 = Wrestlemania 42, 2026 A.D.
2. Wrestlemania XXX = Wrestlemania 30, 2014 A.D.
3. Wrestlemania M = Wrestlemania 1000, 2984 A.D.
4. Wrestlemania DX = 500 + 10 = Wrestlemania 510, 2494 A.D.
5. Wrestlemania CLV = 100 + 50 + 5 = Wrestlemania 155, 2139 A.D.
6. Wrestlemania XLV = 40 + 5 = Wrestlemania 45, 2029 A.D.
7. Wrestlemania MLVI = 1000 + 50 + 6 = Wrestlemania 1056, 3040 A.D.
8. Wrestlemania XIXV was a trick question; placed in this order, the symbols have no meaning.
9. Wrestlemania XCIX = 90 + 9 = Wrestlemania 99, 2083 A.D.
10. Wrestlemania MDCCCLXXIV = 1000 + 500 + 300 + 50 + 20 + 4 = Wrestlemania 1874, 3858 A.D.