From damn123 on 4/23/08 9:32 PM

I also think 1997 because the wcw and wwe rivalry and many other companies like ecw. The rock and stone cold and the prime years of taker and kane

From JamesP on 4/23/08 9:36 PM

Uhh...The Rock didn't become a featured player until later that year, and more time was spent talking about Kane in 1997 than actually seeing him.

From damn123 on 4/23/08 9:43 PM

thats wat i meant later that year he wads great and stone cold was also great than

From damn123 on 4/23/08 9:44 PM

Also Shawn Michaels was champion but got hurt later that year as well

From 92tombstone92 on 4/23/08 9:44 PM

damn123 Undertaker is still in his Prime and Kane is just getting back up there like i said in my Undertaker post (which no one has commented on) Undertaker has never been anything but a high card superstar even when he was the American Badass the deadman he was still at the top and he always came back after his injuries or time out of the WWE WWF as a high card superstar

From damn123 on 4/23/08 9:45 PM

Yes, and now i think he is getting even better by his new moves so i guess i was wrong

From 92tombstone92 on 4/23/08 9:47 PM

thank you but yeah Kane could get some new moves too because hes just been using the same moves since he came into the WWE of course a lot of superstars still use the same moves

From damn123 on 4/23/08 10:30 PM

Yea but UNdertakers new move show that hes still learning and is willing to expand his horizon instead of staying with all the same moves

From willierko on 4/23/08 10:38 PM

Kane disappoints me because he does not even use some moves he use to do, like the top rope clothesline, or his rebound jumping lariat, similar to the undertaker's, but I guess hes getting up there and he is getting lazy.

From damn123 on 4/23/08 10:39 PM

Well he does use the clothestline but not as much im not sure why but kane could be great be is just not using his new moves

From JamesP on 4/23/08 10:55 PM

Okay, can you guys stop arguing over UT and get back to purpose of the fucking blog?!

From willierko on 4/24/08 12:17 AM

STFU James, STFU your favorite letter lol

to be honest I would say 1999 or 2002 or probably 1997 were the best years in pro wrestling.

From theone86 on 4/24/08 1:16 AM

1995-1996. ECW had a STACKED roster. Dean Malenko, Chris Beniot, Eddie Guerrero, Shane Douglas as champ, late 94 you had the infamous NWA Title incident, Mikey was starting to get his push, you had the Eliminators, 2 Cold Scorpio, Sabu, the Luchadores were there around then, Taz had his new gimmick in real late 95, maybe 96, Taipei Death Match was in 95, Sandman and Funk went at it in 95, Dreamer was fueding with Raven, and Chris Jericho was in the TV Title picture.

In WCW, the NWO was starting to form, Sting and Savage were there, and there was a LOT of talent coming together.

WWE had a ratings lull, Luger, Ahmed Johnson, and Taker were having good years, Owen and Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, were getting good pushes, and even though the bottom of the card was pretty gimmicky, they still had some athletic matchups.

Thinking back, it looks like whenever WWE was doing good, the rest of the industry was doing bad, and vice versa. I think WWE's all-time best period was the post-invasion period that lasted from November 2001 until April 2005. Also during that period were TNA's breakout days and AJ Styles' TNA dominance. I'd almost say 2002, but ECW had such a good year in 95 and I'm a bigger ECW fan than I am TNA, WWE, and WCW combined.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 5:29 AM

But don't forget that WWF and WCW were absolutely terrible in 1995. And WWE put on some of it's worst angles during 2002-2005. Katie Vick? Or how about Al Wilson? Kane-Lita-Matt Hardy-Love-Triangle? Gay wedding? HLA? Those were all crap.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 2:11 PM

My favorite year for wrestling was absolutely 2001. Think about everything that this year had:

Wrestlemania X-Seven was great.. The greatest tag team feud in history (Dudleys/Hardys/E&C) came to an end... The 2001 KOTR (featuring Angle v. Shane in a Street Fight) was one of my all time pay per views. From there we saw Edge and Christian brake up and give one of the best feuds ever...

Then came the Invasion: After years of WCW going downhill, we finally saw the end. Shane McMahon wound up on Nitro (I never thought I'd see that in a million years).. We got the Milk Truck incident (my favorite RAW moment); then the most intense event of all time the Survivor Series to determine the remaining federation.

After that we had the first undisputed champion crowned... in a year that saw Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and Chris Benoit all leap to the main event we saw Y2J beat the Rock and Austin in the same night... Next was the RAW/Smackdown draft, and while the brand split itself has proven to be bad for the wrestling world, the process getting there was extremely exciting.

And while the years that followed were dissapointing, 2001 was the most entertaining year in history.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 3:28 PM

2001 was bad for the most part. The two halves were like night and day. January-June rocked, but July to the end of the year sucked.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 3:34 PM

I assume, your saying that you didnt like the Alliance angle... I don't understand how anybody could dislike that story, it was and still is my favorite storyline ever... And how could you not like the first undisputed title tourny?

From JamesP on 4/24/08 4:26 PM

The Alliance was a massive fumble, and the main reason why WWE's ratings cooled down. It had so much potential, but they fucked up and turned it into Vince vs. His family part 5362. Most of the WCW guys besides Booker T were mid-carders, and WCW never really got the upper-hand. What's worse is that WWF turned Steve Austin, their top-babyface, into the leader of the Alliance and made it all about him despite the fact that it was obvious that the fans wanted him as the top-face on WWF's side, and he had bitter feelings toward WCW anyway, so hy bother? What's worse is that they could've done Rock-Austin 3 but instead had Rock feud with Booker T. And toward the end of the storyline, you had a billion meaningless title changes.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 4:49 PM

You do realize that you just said "they could have had the Rock and Austin feud" in the same paragraph that you mocked them for overdoing McMahon family feud... They had done Rock v. Austin quite a few times, and we'd never seen Angle v. Austin, or Booker v. Rock, or RVD or Y2J versus any of them. This gave us something new....
And tell me who the mid-carder is in this list: Booker T, RVD, Austin, Big Show, Shane, Rock, Angle, Jericho, Kane, Underaker. I can't find one.. And yea, I realize the WWE didn't get some of WCW's top guys involved, but let's face it, most of the WCW's top guys were extremely overrated (Goldberg, Sting, Lugar, Bagwell, Steiners, Hall)

From JamesP on 4/24/08 6:13 PM

Rock-Austin 3 would be logical, since Austin beat the shit out of him before Rock left, so he would want revenge. For Vince vs. His family, there was no point at all in making Stephanie the ECW owner. And while you feel that WCW's top guys were overrated, which match would draw more money, Steve Austin vs. Goldberg, or Steve Austin vs. Buff Bagwell? And I DID say, most of the people in the Alliance BESIDES Booker T were mid-carders, and the upper-card ECW guys, and all of WCW's guys basically became afterthoughts, and WCW never got any big wins that weren't associated with Austin, who was best known for being a WWF guy, not a WCW guy. There was just so many things wrong with th storyline that it turned the fans off, and Mick Foley even expressed his discontent with the storyline LIVE ON RAW.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 6:16 PM

I mean, how WOULDN'T it have "won" Worst Storyline Of The Year from most publications and websites back in 2001?

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 7:13 PM

When people talk about how bad this angle supposedly was, they talk about all the things that the WWE "could have done," but the thing is that every great angle could have things tweeked to make them a little better... This was a great angle that maybe could have been a little better, and who cares that Goldberg is a better draw than Booker; he's not a better wrestler, and that's what matters...
Some pretty crappy things can still manage to bring in some merchandizing money (Cena!)... I think the alliance angle is an example of the one time where quality was put ahead of money, and people criticize it cause they didn't get to see their favorite crappy WCW wrestler involved.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 7:28 PM

Once again: WWF was trying to make this a big angle, and mainly having a bunch of mid-carders rather than the people who helped make WCW what it was is unacceptable. As I mentioned, there was never one time after things really took off where it appeared that the WCW guys had an advantage. And the angle basically turned into a the Steve Austin show/McMahon family soap opera. The only person treated as a big deal in the alliance was Steve Austin, who was best known as a WWF guy rather than a WCW guy. Hell, Austin HATED WCW for firing him in 1995 and berated them, so why was he suddenly on their side? Why didn't he help his main company against the company that fired him for almost no reason? It was illogical. None of the alliance members beside Austin posed a threat to WWF guys. They were feuding with mid-carders in feuds that were foregone conclusions, and became jobbers. What's worse is that the endless WWF vs. Alliance matches didn't settle anything. The alliance mebers weren't over at all.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 7:38 PM

I mean, if you're doing WWF vs. WCW, shouldn't it be The Best WWF Has To Offer vs. The Best WCW Has To Offer, not The Best WCW Has To Offer vs. Mid-carders, a Main-Eventer From It's Dying Years, and the Top Star In WWF Who Hated WCW Anyway? The angle was doomed from the start because Vince couldn't handle the concept that another promotion might have posed a threat to his "boys."

From JamesP on 4/24/08 7:39 PM

Oh, I meant The Best WWF Has To Offer the second time, not WCW.

From youcantseeme123 on 4/24/08 8:08 PM

I THINK THE BEST YEAR FOR WWE IS THE DAY U GUYS ALL STOP YACKING AND SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. JK ......THE YEAR KOFI KINGSTON WINS THE TITLE IS THE BEST YEAR IN WRESTLING

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 8:26 PM

Once again, you haven't pointed out exactly who the mid-carders were. Austin wasn't the only alliance member to be treated like a big deal; Booker won the world title!! And sure, we knew the WWF would win in the end, but for 90% of the angle, the Alliance definitely had the upper hand.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 8:45 PM

DDP (jobbed to UT as soon as he came), KroniK, Mike Awesome, Lance Storm, Buff Bagwell, Billy Kidman, Chavo Guerrero, Shane Helms, I could go on. And Booker T was WCW Champion when the angle started, and then lost to The Rock and looked like a chump. By the end of the angle, the whole thing centered around Steve Austin and Stephanie McMahon, with everybody else being glorified jobbers. The biggest feud going on was Chris Jericho vs. The Rock, a feud between TWO WWF GUYS! The Alliance became a big joke. Yes, kids, a feud for the WCW Title between two WWF guys that had nothing remotely to do with the Alliance outside of Stephanie egging Y2J on. I mean hell, Rock practically squashed Booker T and Rock at Unforgiven. Although they did apear to have an advantage when ECW first came into play, that was all killed within a month.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 9:37 PM

ok, see i didn't realize that you were looking at the entire card.. I thought you were calling the main eventers jobbers. As for DDP, when you get beat by the Undertaker its not really jobbing... and ill agree that DDP's angles weren't great, and the undercard wasn't hand perfectly... but i still think the Alliance v. WWF angle (Survivor Series match, and main event card) were done extremely well

From JamesP on 4/24/08 9:49 PM

It was still done badly. As I explained before, Austin joining made no sense, it turned into a McMahon family soap opera, the main title of the Alliance was being feuded over by two WWF guys in an unrelated title, and it basically turned into just another heel stable when all of the WWF guys with virtually no past association with the ECW and WCW joining the Alliance and then contributing nothing.

From JamesP on 4/24/08 9:50 PM

Whoops, I meant unrelated storyline.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/24/08 10:07 PM

the austin angle made no sence cause your mixing storyline with reality... austin hated wcw after they fired him in real life, in the story austin hated vince and the wwf because he was grooming angle to be the main eventer even though he was right there

From theone86 on 4/25/08 1:37 AM

I gotta go with James, great concept, huge fumble. Although it might have helped if they had been able to sign some of WCW's main eventers, but then again they did job the ones they hired out so it might not have helped that much after all.

As for 02-05, I'll agree that there were some BAD angles run during that time, but that's the period when WWE seemed to have it's most competitive booking, it's most athletic style, and the least amount of goofy gimmicks. I have a few problems with some booking decisions from those years, but I do think that between Heyman having a lot of booking control, a good combination of young stars, established main eventers, and industry journeymen, and a great stylistic approach this is the hands-down best period for WWE. Plus TNA was just starting up and running some great programs with the XD, AJ Styles becoming a Triple-Crown winner, and some absolutely electric matches.

Anyways, here's the best piece of television to come out of the Invasion angle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZxqhCumGJs

From 92tombstone92 on 4/25/08 12:23 PM

from my posts up above but i do like how Kane does a dropkick not many big wrestlers could be able to do that seriously imagine Khali doing a drop kick he'd hit his head before he finish it....

From JamesP on 4/25/08 4:22 PM

Okay, can you and damn123 stop arguing over things that have nothing to do with the blog? At least the InVasion argument was trying to proove/disproove why 2001 wasn't the best year ever.

From fyrooz4125 on 4/27/08 1:01 AM

Invasion angle seems promising at first, but it declines into one of the worst storyline ever in wrestling history. Wasting so many talenets in the space of months.

From JamesP on 4/27/08 9:50 AM

I agree. They could've made it a good storyline, but they fucked it up. Hey, since we're talking about a bad storyline, what do you think was the worst year for wrestling as a whole?

From jeff on 4/27/08 1:25 PM

I would have to say 2002 was the best year to be a wrestling. With the return of Shawn Michaels and the best ppv i've ever seen which was Survivor 2002 that was a good year for wrestling. 2003 was also a good year with Wrestlemania 19 (one if the best wrestlemanias ever) and the debut of Goldberg(probably going to get alot of heat for that, but I don't care). Also having Stone Cold as co- general manager of RAW made RAW very fun to watch. It was also the year Kane was unmasked and had a great rivalry with Shane McMahon.

From JamesP on 4/27/08 7:48 PM

Although the second half of 2001 sucked, it had the funniest segments in the history of the company. Austin and Tajiri, anyone? Rock and Austin singing? Midget Booker T? Rock and Y2J making fun of Steph's boob job? It was hilarious.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/27/08 8:45 PM

that's one of the reason's i loved 2001. my favorite part of wrestling is humor. and i loved things like austin and angle singing for vince's approval... as for the worst year in wrestling I'd say 2003-2005 were all pretty bad... Cena and Batista just got too boring.. 2006 though it began to turn around when Booker and Edge outshined the two of them.

From JamesP on 4/27/08 9:05 PM

I think that the stuff on Raw from November 2005 to July 2006 was the best stuff that WWE did in years. It felt a lot like the Attitude era.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/27/08 9:48 PM

I think the live sex celebration falls in that range: My least favorite segment in wrestling history... First off, I was there, and the whole time i was thinking "I want wrestling, not Edge in panties... Either Lita better get naked, or I'll be pissed"... Second, my seat was in like the only section where you couldn't see Lita's nip slip. Damnit.. 3rd, Cena comes out and beats up a woman, and gets cheered? those little kids were so annoying, not to mention apparent horrible people

From JamesP on 4/27/08 10:11 PM

Outside of that, of ourse. But the rating for that segment was huge. Anyway, a lot of good things happened during that time: Edge winning the title, his feud with Foley, Cena being the lame duck/afterthought in every feud he was in despite winning a lot, The build up to HHH's face turn, ECW, the Joey Styles shoot promo, and of course, DX. Unfortunately, August is when things progressively got worse and more kid-friendly. Ugh.

From cptcharisma1157 on 4/27/08 11:03 PM

oh, i definitely agree that '06 was a good year.... didn't we see Edge, Angle, and Christian all holding world titles at one time?... that was amazing.. Again what sucks about that though, is that the Smackdown that Angle won the title in the battle royal (phenominal) was in Philly the day after Edge's sex scene (horrible) in Hershey.... Man I wish I'd gone to the show in Phillie insted.